Dangerous Moon

Sunday, May 31, 2009

George Tiller was murdered today.

George Tiller was murdered today. The 67 year old doctor from Kansas was killed by a single shot while performing the duties of an usher at his church in Wichita. Tiller was one of the few doctors willing to perform late term abortions. 

 The suspect in custody, Scott Roeder, had been involved with Randall Terry's Prolife group Operation Rescue for several years and had suggested harassing Tiller at his place of worship.

A posting from May 2007 on Operation Rescue's Web site, from a person identifying himself as "Scott Roeder," sought volunteers to "attend Tillers church (inside, not just outside)" to "ask questions of the Pastor, Deacons, Elders and members. . . . Doesn't seem like it would hurt anything but bring more attention to Tiller."

Roeder had apparently been convicted for possessing bomb making equipment in the late 1990's.
Randall Terry issued a statement that did not show remorse but instead called Tiller "a mass murderer" and added: "We grieve for him that he did not have time to properly prepare his soul to face God."
This was the second shooting involving Tiller. He was wounded by a woman in 1993.

I never understood the animosity on the christian right towards abortion doctors. If you have a problem with abortion, shouldn't your ire be directed at the woman who has made the decision to have one? It's like shooting up a McDonalds because you are mad about high blood pressure and obesity.

I have a problem with so called libertarians on the right who are all for individual rights until men or women choose to exercise them. Then they substitute their own moral judgment. Have you noticed that the great majority of prominent folks on the prolife front are men? They appear to displace their anger towards women in general to the women's doctors and caregivers. Can't go around smiting or stoning the women so let's go after their doctors. And then we have the holier than thou fundamentalist whackjobs. I would no sooner consult with them on issues of moral clarity than I would ask Bristol Palin to help me on the issue of abstinence.

I wondered what the good folks at Townhall.com were thinking and here is a smattering of blog postings:

Stoic Patriot writes:
Sunday, May, 31, 2009 5:28 PM
I object
... Considering what Tiller did to helpless babies, I can't help but find his death to be poetically ironic. Those who live by the sword die by the sword. The minute he started killing babies, Tiller made his own right to life forfeit. Justice and pragmatism both called for a stop to his murderous spree by whatever means necessary, so long as they did not harm an innocent person. Tiller's killer did not. Good for him. Part of what makes the righteous, good, and the wicked, evil, is their hatred of one another. A good person hates that which is unfair, that which is evil, and eagerly yearns for its destruction, willing to see to its extermination given the opportunity. A good person makes every effort to kill evil instantly, and does not mourn its passing. Tiller's killer should not be imprisoned and villified, but rather praised and extolled. Give him a parade, not a prison sentence. No justice? No peace. And there's 1.2 million babies every year for whom justice is not served.

Ronna writes:
Sunday, May, 31, 2009 5:33 PM
Tiller The Baby Killer
obviously experienced a "Late Term abortion" first hand by a person who wanted to stop him from murdering anymore babies. What goes around comes around...sometimes.

Good man's wife writes:
Sunday, May, 31, 2009 5:33 PM
"""You may not like what George Tiller did, but it was LEGAL.""" So was slavery and murdering Jews, Will. I know that is the only standard you lefties have(the whimsical nature of the law). Murder for me, but not for thee. I don't know how you people can live with yourselves sometimes!

"Some psycho murders an abortionist and it's the fault of the anti-abortion movement? Exactly how many baby killers have been murdered since 1973? Two? " From Wiki- March 10, 1993: Dr. David Gunn of Pensacola, Florida was fatally shot during a protest. He had been the subject of wanted-style posters distributed by Operation Rescue in the summer of the year before. June 29, 1994: Dr. John Britton and James Barrett, a clinic escort, were both shot to death outside of another facility in Pensacola. December 30, 1994: Two receptionists, Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols, were killed in two clinic attacks in Brookline, Massachusetts. John Salvi, who prior to his arrest was distributing pamphlets from Human Life International,[5] was arrested and confessed to the killings. January 29, 1998: Robert Sanderson, an off-duty police officer who worked as a security guard at an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama, was killed when his workplace was bombed. October 23, 1998: Dr. Barnett Slepian was shot to death at his home in Amherst, New York. His was the last in a series of similar shootings against providers in Canada and northern New York state which were all likely committed by James Kopp. Kopp was convicted of Dr. Slepian's murder after finally being apprehended in France in 2001. May 31, 2009: Dr. George Tiller was shot and killed as he was entering his church in Wichita, KS Me- Well, that makes seven... All of whom were inflamed by people calling abortion providers Murderers and baby killers.

dreadnaught writes:
Sunday, May, 31, 2009 5:49 PM
someone done him in
As Eliza Doolittle would say. We are sorry; but crocodile tears are not in order. Tiller's murderer hopefully won't escape justice. When considered Eichmann was tried and convicted of mass murders for his part in the holocaust; Tiller got away from answering for his crimes. He benefited from Roe V. Wade as much as the mothers who had their offspring slaughtered. There is no real justice in this world. There are always victims of injustice. Tiller was a victim, but he got justice. Nobody can dispute that. In a just world, a thousand bounty hunters would've been hunting for him and wanted posters would be everywhere: "Wanted for murder of Innocent Infants seconds before their birth." Now, with his demise, many innocents won't be murdered next week. Thank You, Almighty Father!

AliveInHim writes:
Sunday, May, 31, 2009 6:00 PM
You know NOTHING about the person who killed Tiller. It could just as well have been a liberal atheist who nonetheless thought Tiller's practice abhorrent. Ever think of that, genius? The rest of us will wait till the facts come out. I suggest you STFU and do the same. While we all hope the perp is caught, tried, convicted and sentenced according to this nation's laws regarding murder, I'm not shedding any tears over Tiller himself. I'm honestly glad the monster is dead.

Warrior writes:
Sunday, May, 31, 2009 6:03 PM
Someone Wanted Him Dead
Most probably we will learn why at some future point. This falls under the law of relativity in terms of killing a human. Tiller could kill a woman's unborn baby 1 week or less prior to its birth and be praised as supporting that woman's right to choose. That same woman could kill that same child 1 week or less after it is born and go to jail as guilty of murder. The 2 acts could be separated by less than 2 weeks. Tiller invests the tools of abortion and the courts anoint him; the Mother, her new title since the live birth, is incarcerated by the same court. If those two dead babies were laid out on a table, side by side, there is doubt (except for the method of death)that we could discern which died at the hand of whom. There is something terribly wrong with that mental picture or even the notion of the whole procedure.

Ronna writes:
Sunday, May, 31, 2009 6:35 PM
What difference does it make
what race Tiller's killer is? He obviously had enough of the slaughter of thousands of babies at Tiller's hands. Tit for tat? An eye for an eye, and all that? He who liveth by the sword, indeed! I don't, as a rule, condone murder - beginning with all those murders Tiller committed, but in this case I feel he got what was coming to him; I just feel it could have happened years earlier so that more innocent lives would have been saved from his murdering hands.

grubby writes:
Sunday, May, 31, 2009 6:35 PM
What a pathetic figleaf!
"You may not like what George Tiller did, but it was LEGAL. And this anti-abortion guy shot him in church." Yes, it was legal - the same way Roger Taney legalized slavery in the Dred Scott case. Lincoln made Douglas look just as pathetic when he took the same view. Hitler's final solution was 'legal'. The height of asininity is achieved when someone defends the morality of a law by proclaiming it 'legal'.

Ronna writes:
Sunday, May, 31, 2009 7:07 PM
I said Tiller experienced a late term abortion. Perhaps he had it coming, but at any rate he won't be killing anymore babies will he?

LuLu writes:
Sunday, May, 31, 2009 7:17 PM
Gotta say
I'm not really feeling too bad for this guy. The same way I don't condone gang killings, but don't feel too bad when one criminal kills another.

tom writes:
Sunday, May, 31, 2009 7:18 PM
I'm confused...
if murder of this reprehensible human being is a horrible sin, but the murder of viable human babies in ok, whether the children are in or out of the womb, they have their own heart, brain and bodies, by the 3rd trimester most are sustainable human beings, NOT FETUSES. To say any different is being dis-ingenuous in your retohric on abortion. I do not condone any kind of murder, but I will cry no tears for the killer of the unborn, I am happy that someone expedited the meeting between the murderer and his Lord and hopefully a jury of his victims. So Frank and his ilk does not have to accuse me, I am a right wing conservative christian of the furthest right wing. I could not enjoy killing any human, especially an innocent little child.

Tiller did have it coming and I will cry no tears for him - or his famly for that matter; after all, they knew what he was doing and didn't seem to have a problem with it OR spending all that money he made from killing all those babies.

Ronna writes:
Sunday, May, 31, 2009 7:34 PM
Frank, people who abort babies in the
womb is not murder and they are justified in doing so by you liberal cretins, but when an adult kills another adult it is not justified??? You or anoyone else with the ignorant mindset are the MONSTERS.

foxmustang writes:
Sunday, May, 31, 2009 8:18 PM
Murdering of Dr Tiller
was wrong.......... That being said..........in God's eyes, (notice I didn't say the law's eyes), Tiller KILLED THOUSANDS. And all in the worship of,.... guess what?...............MONEY!! Puts him up there with Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot and Saddam Hussein.

NeoConScum writes:
Sunday, May, 31, 2009 8:33 PM
Inconsolable Is What I Is...Beyond..
comforting. Yep. Late Term Baby Scraper bites the bullet--Literally. All those human hearts flushed...All those youthful brains snuffed. All that magical humanity tossed... Yep, I'm tearing up over his lead infested carcass...Naw...Just a speck of dust. Like the jury for the guy in Oklahoma City who shot a hold-up punk once in the head and 5-in the stomach last week and they've charged with 1st

Ronna writes:
Sunday, May, 31, 2009 7:27 PM
Oh, Obama calls Tiller's death heinous
poor thing, he's probably upset that he'll have to seek out another doctor to help with the extermination of the unborn.

You can see the tears being shed for Dr. Tiller by the right. This attitude is why I have such antipathy towards religious zealots who get their marching orders from the "higher power". Self righteous hypocrites who will commit and endorse any vile act in order to follow god's law. Remind me to stay out of Kansas. I hope that there are more brave doctors to take George Tiller's place, doctors that can help women with their personal reproductive decisions.


Anonymous said...

Right to Lifers provide the gasoline and the matches, and then express surprise when someone like Tiller is shot. He was a favorite villain of Bill O'Reilly, who referred to him as "Tiller the Baby Killer."

Anonymous said...

Practically speaking, if abortion is outlawed there would be no one to shoot, no place to picket, no little caskets to bury. I.E., if the tables are turned, the left would not have anyone to hunt down, and no establishment to barricade. As a municipal actuarial balancing of the books, taking abortion out of the community lessens the out of pocket outlay. Even if the hue and cry of reduced 'Civil Rights' is sounded, it is better to have an argument over women's reproductive rights in the ABSTRACT than to have a concrete symbol of onerousness in your own backyard. A note on the death toll: Supposedly it stood at 8, since Roe v. Wade. There is a billboard about a mile from here that extols the 'American Holocaust', with the total at 40,000,000, since Roe v. Wade. Ciao, Babe.

Blue Heron said...

Ya, better to have 40 million more unwanted babies, I get you. KIds that can fill up the penitentiaries or provide a cheap workforce for the armed forces. Makes perfect sense.

Anonymous said...

FOREST FOR THE TREES DEPT: There is a place of respite from the evils and conundra of the world in Golden Gate Park. It is called a 'Grotto' and is dedicated to the fallen in the battle against HIV/AIDS. The place no doubt for contemplation of all that is insane and stupefying in the world.

However, I looked in vain for that of the Grotto to the fallen in the conflagration waged against Heart Disease, Cancer, Lightning Strikes, Infant Mortality from Choking on Chicken Bones, Being Hit BY A Tractor And Killed. All of these surpass the death toll from HIV/AIDS. Heart disease alone claims 900,000 in a SINGLE YEAR.

Shouldn't we now rename all of Golden Gate Park - Atherosclerosis Meadows as a paean to size of the problem?

Ciao , Babe

Anonymous said...

Robert, just read your last blog, i recalled that day you and i followed that fucking anti abortionist in the van with the graphic osterized fetus photos, he was just cruising the parking lots and we were hocking and flipping him off, i ponder this, if the lefties are so bloodthirsty and indifferent to the sanctity of life,why isn't it open season on anti abortionists? War is War and an asshole for a fetus loving asshole. Seeya! B.

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